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A governance expert says Government agencies aren't taking conflicts of interest seriously. The Public Service Commissioner's reviewed contracts between agencies and a consultancy company, both owned by Minister Nanaia Mahuta's husband. It found the ministries didn't properly manage perceived conflicts of interests, but no real conflicts were identified. Victoria University's Max Rashbrooke says Kainga Ora's failure to even ask about conflicts of interest is extraordinary. He says it's worth asking if there's a relation of someone already senior in the department or a minister, because it could create potential problems. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.