Crazy Money With Paul Ollinger

Victor Haghani is the author of a new book called The Missing Billionaires: A Guide to Making Better Financial Decisions, which explores why family fortunes like the Vanderbilts' get destroyed in the hands of the heirs. Victor knows a lot about wild swings in wealth. As co-founding partner of the Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM), Victor saw the hedge fund's value soar over the first years of its existence then plummet spectacularly, losing 90% of its value in the first nine months of 1998. It was bailed out by a consortium of banks that injected $3.6 billion under the supervision of the Federal Reserve. In this conversation and his new book, Victor graciously shares candid insights from this harrowing experience, discusses the emotional roller coaster of his fund’s very public implosion, and reminds us of some facts many have forgotten: that the banks got their money back as did most of the original investors. Unfortunately, a few investors got washed out, as did the founders. Victor tells Paul how he bala

Farnoosh Torabi is an Iranian American journalist and one of the country’s most trusted personal finance experts. In her new book, A Healthy State of Panic she examines the role fear can have in leading us toward the relationships, careers, and financial situations we are meant to have. For over two decades, Farnoosh has a strived to help people become financially empowered and lead richer lives. She’s written multiple books, hosted a CNBC program, and worked alongside Oprah’s editorial team. She hosts the Webby-honored podcast So Money, which has been downloaded over 30 million times. In today’s conversation, we discuss how her family came to the U.S. from Iran and what it was like grow up in America after the Iranian Revolution and Hostage Crisis. Always being the new girl, Farnoosh learned how to navigate new schools, her mom's embarrassing clothing choices, her teenage unibrow, achievement anxiety, and the fact that she wasn’t allowed to watch Punky Brewster. We discuss the strength and courage of her you

After 15 years of financial reporting, Ron Lieber reports that “No consumer decision inspires more confusion and emotion than the question of what to pay for college,” which is understandable since four years at many state schools now costs over $100k in tuition and four years of private school can run over $300k!  The "Your Money" columnist for the New York Times, Ron is the author ofThe Price You Pay for College, in which he lays out critical, in-depth information about one of the most important financial decisions your family will ever make. He explains that not only is college ludicrously expensive, but the admissions process is purposefully opaque, so it’s hard to know if you/your kid will get in and whether or not you/your kid will be able to afford to go. By throwing himself head-first into this stormy, complicated sea, Ron helps the reader find the best college or university for them, understand financial aid, and not destroy their family's savings in the process. His new online course about merit aid

Kids who grow up in stable, two-parent homes are less likely to live in poverty, have behavioral problems, and get in trouble at school. They’re more likely to go to college, attain stable employment, achieve higher earnings, and to get married themselves. So reports Melissa Kearney in her new book The Two-Parent Privilege: How Americans Stopped Getting Married and Started Falling Behind. A professor of Economics at University of Maryland, Melissa argues that single-parenthood makes economic autonomy more difficult to attain for parent and child alike. So if we want to address inequality, we must acknowledge that family structure contributes to it, even if the conclusions run counter to the prevailing societal notion that any family structure is as good as another. Put simply, if you want a more equal society, it’s time to recognize that equality starts at home. In addition to her faculty position, Melissa is also Director of the Aspen Economic Strategy Group and a non-resident Senior Fellow at Brookings Inst

Garrett Gunderson is a NYT best selling author and the funniest financial speaker you may or may not have heard of. The son of a Utah coal-miners, Garrett wants to teach others how to become financially independent and have a laugh along the way. He has written several money books, including Disrupting Sacred Cows, Killing Sacred Cows, and What Would Billionaires Do? among others. His new book Money Unmasked comes out next month.  We talk hair, comedy, good parenting, growing up half-Mormon, half-Catholic, frugal v. cheap, “financial dick pics," pre-2008 Arrogance, driving a Bentley, the power of laughter, the dirty word his grandmother loved, and what he learned from the death of his business partners. As you’ll hear, Garrett andI have a lot in common, so this is a bit of a sprawling and sometimes “inside baseball” conversation about money and comedy. Speaking of which, his comedy special The American Ream will be out soon.  Learn more about Garrett on his website and Pre-order the new book on Amazon here.

In an automated world without constraints or time to think, our spending has been super-charged. Markets, apps, and e-commerce are all designed to separate us from our money as quickly and consistently as possible. So argues Julio Vincent Gambuto in his new book, Please Unsubscribe, Thanks!: How to Take Back Our Time, Attention, and Purpose in a World Designed to Bury Us in Bullshit. Paul and Julio discuss the book and their differences of opinion on how we have arrived to this subscription economy. Yes, Paul agrees, companies are intentionally removing friction from the transaction process to reduce the amount of thinking that goes into purchasing and subscribing to services. But he does not agree that this turns all of us into stooges who lack agency. Yes, Paul also agrees with Julio’s eventual conclusion that we all need to “redefine our relationship with money and how/where/when/why we spend and our needs, wants, and relationship with desire. Maybe it’s okay to not get everything we want right now.” Learn

“Parents Hire $4,000 Sorority Consultants to Help Daughters Dress and Impress During Rush” read the Wall Street Journal headline that nearly made my neck snap. As a middle-aged man whose kids aren’t quite college age, I was unaware of the #RushTok phenomenon on TikTok or the Bama Rush documentary that sparked a massive fascination with the sorority rush process at the University of Alabama. Trisha Addicks is the very rush consultant referenced in that WSJ article and featured in Bama Rush. She also happens to be my neighbor, so I invited her to come over and talk about how the whole process works. I had so many questions: Who are these families shelling out $4k for rush help? Why do they do it? How does one become a rush consultant? What’s the reason so many young women want to join sororities anyway? And how do you teach them the secret language including terms like PNMs, OOTD, the 5 B’s, and The Machine? The conversation really put the whole thing into perspective. In a world of private trainers, coaches, a

The new Netflix series Painkiller is based on a book my guest, Barry Meier wrote over 20 years ago. In Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America's Opioid Epidemic, Meier explores how Purdue Pharma’s drug OxyContin catalyzed a plague of addiction and death that has destroyed families and whole communities across the country. Between 1999 and 2020, 564,000 Americans died from an opioid overdose. In 2020, the most recent year for which statistics are available, opioids killed 68,000. That's 188 per day and each one of these deaths represents a son or daughter, a brother or sister or a mother or father, who is not coming back. Yes, people died of opioid overdoses before the 1996 launch of OxyContin, but it’s clear that Oxy and Purdue Pharma’s aggressive and deceptive marketing practices threw gasoline on a spark that has turned into a raging wildfire.  In our conversation today, Barry and I discuss the Sackler family's legacy of ethically dubious marketing of pharmaceuticals and how they made t

Paul reads three of his latest pieces from his Substack, Money and the Meaning of Life, including: Dare to Suck: What you can learn about improvement from acting coach Lesly Kahn and author Mark Manson The Secret to Being Very, Very Rich Nobody Needs a House with 8 Toilets

If your new college grad son or daughter is unemployed, sleeping in their childhood bedroom, and watching All My Children every day, fear not - Laura Belgray has been there and she turned out okay. As Laura explains in her new, laugh-out-loud (LOL) funny memoir, Tough Titties: On Living Your Best Life When You’re the F-ing Worst, sometimes it’s good to be unoccupied so that, when opportunity finally calls, you are there to answer the phone. The book, which her husband refers to as “Loser Sex in the City,” is a collection of hilarious, unfiltered stories about her life. Equal parts Nora Ephron, Tina Fey, Chuck Klosterman, and David Sedaris, Tough Titties is a celebration of failure, late bloomers, messy career paths, and lessons learned from indiscriminately blowing bartenders in the early 90s. So it’s no wonder that Kelly Ripa said of the book, “I didn’t want it to end!” Though slow out of the gates, Laura eventually found her thing and now celebrates the wonder of being paid for authentic self-expression. In

People magazine called Laura Wasser “the celebrity of celebrity divorce attorneys,” which makes sense considering she has—according to Wikipedia—handled cases for A+listers like Angelina Jolie, Kim Kardashian, Johnny Depp, Ryan Reynolds, Dr. Dre, Kevin Costner, Maria Shriver, and Jimmy Iovine, among many others. And while “celebrity divorce attorney” might conjure up images of a rapacious shark in Prada boots squeezing every dollar out of her clients’ exes, Laura preaches the gospel of divorce with dignity. Her book, It Doesn’t Have to Be That Way: How to Divorce Without Destroying Your Family or Bankrupting Yourself is a jungle guide for ending a marriage while preserving decency, values, and a couple’s wealth. As she writes, “…the more acrimony, argument, and angst, the more money your attorney makes. We profit from your inability to resolve issues.” In other words, don’t pay your lawyer $1,000/hr to determine—as famously captured in When Harry Met Sally—who gets the “stupid, wagon wheel, Roy Rogers, garage

If you’re trying to hide assets from your spouse or soon to be ex-spouse, beware! Whether it’s Cayman Islands bank accounts, bearer bonds stashed in a safe deposit box, “hidden" real estate, or hundreds-of-thousands in Bitcoin, Nick Himonidis and his team at NGH Group will probably discover your secret stash. Nick is an attorney, Certified Fraud Examiner, and Certified Crypto Currency Forensic Investigator, which is a fancy way of saying that he is a high-end, sophisticated, and technologically-proficient private investigator. He and his team have have uncovered many millions of dollars in undisclosed assets in single cases. In this conversation, Nick offers insights into how he and his colleagues go about their work, why you’ll probably get caught, and why—if you’re going to hire a private investigator—it’s vitally important TO YOU to hire one with a high degree of professional ethics. Learn more about Nick and NGH Group on their website.    ✍️Get Paul’s writing to your Inbox here ✍️ About Crazy Money: Unl

Having experienced divorce as the child of a wealthy family, Olivia Summerhill understands the massive impact parents fighting about money can have on their children’s lives. Today, Olivia provides financial consulting for ultra-high-net worth women going through divorce. Her typical client has a household net worth of $100mm or more, so she provides advice on everything from stocks, bonds, art, planes, country club memberships and cosmetic surgery! As importantly, she helps her clients clarify their values, financial priorities, and to visualize their lives post-divorce. The host of the Divorce for Wealthy Women podcast, Olivia is both a Certified Financial Planner and a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst. In this super-fun and sometimes-scary conversation, we discuss pre-nuptial agreements, shame around money, the concept of “fairness” in a divorce, and a book that she loved and I absolutely did not! She spoke to me from Seattle where it was 5:00 a.m.! (that’s three exclamation points in one episode descri

Will Vogt is a photographer with a front row seat to the American upper class. Raised on Philadelphia’s Main Line, Will attended boarding school, and spent lots of time in the tony enclave of Watch Hill, Rhode Island where his family summered. His new collection of photography, These Americans, showcases decades of intimate snapshots of his social circle. Entertainment news site Vulture says the work "depicts the wealthy at leisure with their guard down.” Indeed, Will has captured a very rare, candid and un-self-conscious picture of the American upper class doing their thing, which—in a few cases—is cocaine. In some others it’s weed and/or alcohol. Since the majority of these shots were taken in the 1980s, it is highly appropriate that Jay McInerney (Bright Lights, Big City) composed the introduction. He wrote that Vogt is “documenting the world of the descendants of those whom (F. Scott) Fitzgerald wrote about. And he is clearly a member of this tribe, albeit a self-aware and observant one.”  See Will’s pho

Our higher education system is broken. But instead of trying to fix the underlying issues, the Biden administration is attempting to treat the symptoms with a massive giveaway to student loan debtors. In this encore episode (from August, 2022), I speak with Oren Cass. Executive Director of American Compass, whose article The Banality of Student Loans outlines the contradictions and self-defeating policies that have led us to this educational morass.  Ask yourself: • Why is student debt treated differently than all other kinds of debt? • Why are taxpayers on the hook for payments to colleges and universities instead of the institutions themselves? • Why would you forgive hundreds of billions in loans without addressing any of the reasons we got into this mess in the first place? Oren and I discuss the “college for all” approach and why it is the wrong way to prepare the vast majority of young Americans for a career–especially those who need an economic boost the most. We talk about why the federal government s

If you find marriage to be hard, you are not alone. If you feel as if your spouse should fulfill every single physical, emotional, sexual, and financial need in your life, you probably should be alone. This week, I talk to Eli Finkel, author of the book, The All-or-Nothing Marriage in which he presents data and anecdote about how the best marriages work and what we can learn from them. We discuss the evolution of marriage over the centuries, when and why love became part of the equation, how helping your spouse grow benefits you, the role of money in marriage, and why consensual non-monogamy will 99.999999999% for sure never happen in the Ollinger household. A survey of Eli's peers identified him as the most influential relationship scientist in the 21st century and the Economist declared him “one of the leading lights in the realm of relationship psychology.” On the other hand, his wife thinks it’s hilarious that he is a “marriage expert.” Learn more about Eli and his book here.  ✍️Read Paul’s Substack her

Turney Duff was making millions on Wall Street until cocaine addiction brought him to his knees. His book The Buy Side: A Wall Street Trader’s Tale of Spectacular Excess is a funny, horrifying, then hopeful read and a New York Times best-seller (you should buy it here). Paul and the esteemed author share a lot of laughs as they discuss what money meant to Turney as he got rich, got lost, got sober, then got published. This darn funny conversation covers everything Turney's middle school science fair fiasco to insider trading. Also, prostitutes. Find out more about Turney and hear the Galleon rap here. 

For your summer listening while driving, walking, gardening, pleasure, Paul reads three of his latest pieces from Substack (Money and the Meaning of Life), including: How to Stay Hungry When Your Life is Full Money, Pain, and New Cars You Deserve It, i.e. reflections on what it means to “deserve” something Paul publishes these essays (about) every other Tuesday.You should subscribe here. 

Bruce Feiler is a seven-time New York Times best-selling author of books such as Life is in the Transitions, Walking the Bible, and The Council of Dads, Bruce's 2008 account of his battle with bone cancer and the contemplation that his then three-year-old twin daughters would grow up without a father. The book birthed a documentary hosted by Sanjay Gupta, a drama series on NBC, and a wildly popular TED Talk. In his new book, The Search: Finding Meaningful Work in a Post Career World, Bruce argues that the truths about work with which so many of us Boomers / GenX’ers were raised no longer apply and that today’s economy is “meaning based” as opposed to “means based.” We discuss what implications this has for employers, workers, and those of us trying to understand just what is going on out there. We talk about why Bruce dedicated the book to Pat Conroy, why that means something to Paul, how our expectations of a linear world and career stress us out and why it is critically important to “stop chasing someone el

Janny Scott is the descendant of railroad barons and financial tycoons. She grew up on an 800-acre estate on the Philadelphia Main Line. In her book The Beneficiary: Fortune, Misfortune, and the Story of My Father, she shares the details of both the opulence and the tragic complications of her family’s vast fortune. While things appeared perfect from the outside, alcoholism, suicide, divorce, and idleness derailed many of her relations. In this conversation, we discuss what it was like to grow up on property the size of Central Park and how the presence of so much wealth affects her attitudes about money today. We also cover the tragedies that befell many of her ancestors as they struggled to find purpose amidst massive affluence. Janny worked for 14 years as a reporter for the New York Times where she was a member of the team that won the 2000 Pulitzer Prize for national reporting. Prior to the NYT, she reported for the LA Times and The Record of Bergen County (NJ). Her first book, A Singular Woman: The Unto