Liminal Living

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 127Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living     

In this conversation, we continue our Summer Songs of Resistance series with Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson talking about the role of music as a form of resistance and social commentary. They explore the importance of local action in the face of overwhelming national issues, the need for honest dialogue, and the influence of historical figures in shaping music's impact on society. The discussion also touches on politics, religion, society, and playing a song to accompany: For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield.Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7Ab

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 1256Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living     

In this conversation, we continue our Summer Songs of Resistance series with Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson talking about the role of music as a form of resistance and social commentary. They explore the importance of local action in the face of overwhelming national issues, the need for honest dialogue, and the influence of historical figures in shaping music's impact on society. The discussion also touches on politics, religion, society, and playing a song to accompany: Fly Like and Eagle, by the Steve Miller Band.Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 125.Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living     

ChaptersIntroduction and Technical SetupLocalizing Action and Finding EmpowermentThe Role of Music in Social CommentarySongwriting as a Call to ActionReflections on Lyrics and Social Issues SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living   

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 124. SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living   

takeawaysKeith Giles has written multiple books, including a series on quantum gospels.The Gospel of Mary is a fragmentary text with significant insights.Mary Magdalene is likely the central figure in the Gospel of Mary.The text emphasizes the idea of Christ within all individuals.There were multiple early Christian communities with differing beliefs.The Gospel of Mary aligns with the egalitarian views of the Valentinians.The text suggests a direct connection to God without mediators.The concept of the 'child of humanity' is central to the Gospel's message.The Gospel of Mary challenges traditional patriarchal views of God.Understanding the Gospel of Mary could transform modern Christianity. Evangelicalism often defines itself by its enemies.The pendulum of faith can swing too far towards isolation.Community is essential for spiritual growth and understanding.The Gospel of Mary presents radical ideas about sin and forgiveness.The emphasis on sin can be detrimental to spiritual health.Morality should stem from

Cynthia Beach has a deep connection to Castle Rock, Northern Ireland, which inspires her writing.Her upbringing in a wealthy family contrasted with her mother's devout spirituality.Disillusionment with Christian institutions shaped her understanding of faith.Frederick Douglass's writings provided a framework for navigating faith amidst disillusionment.Operational faith often leads to a focus on exceptionalism rather than true spirituality.The persona adopted by church leaders can create a divide between authenticity and performance.Success in ministry can come with the pressure to conform to certain personas.Disillusionment can be a sign of growth and clarity in one's faith journey.The paradox of being both depraved and glorious is a central theme in understanding faith.Cynthia emphasizes the importance of seeing things clearly in one's spiritual journey. The vocabulary around hiding failures often stems from a desire to protect good work.Exceptionalism often comes at the expense of marginalized groups.Suffer

Catherine experienced her faith journey in small, incremental shifts.Questioning beliefs can lead to deeper understanding and growth.Maturity in faith involves embracing uncertainty and mystery.The divine can be understood through both masculine and feminine imagery.Catherine's experiences with church communities shaped her views on faith.The journey of questioning can be seen as an invitation to grow.Feminine imagery for God exists in scripture but is often overlooked.Cultural norms have historically marginalized feminine perspectives in faith.The church's patriarchal structure influences perceptions of God.Reclaiming feminine imagery can enrich spiritual experiences. Gender roles in faith are often seen as divinely designed.Both men and women are created in God's image.The interpretation of scripture is influenced by human perspectives.Cognitive dissonance is prevalent in faith communities.Inerrancy of scripture can reflect patriarchal biases.Jesus elevated women in his teachings and actions.The divine femi

takeawaysLauren's required reading is 'Life of Pi' for its depth.'Grapes of Wrath' illustrates systemic evil in society.Growing up in a fundamentalist bubble shaped her faith.Trauma led to a painful deconstruction of her beliefs.Emotional prosperity gospel can distort faith expectations.Therapy was a crucial step in her healing process.Traveling to India was a leap of faith for her.Cultural immersion helped her rebuild trust.Trusting oneself is a vital part of recovery.Vulnerability is essential for self-acceptance. Cultural connections can lead to profound moments of acceptance.Alienation in evangelicalism can hinder personal healing.Family dynamics often influence our ability to confront pain.Transformative experiences can occur in mundane settings.Liminal spaces encourage open-handed living and receptivity.Reincarnation offers a different perspective on death and rebirth.Travel fosters humility and a sense of wonder.Navigating relationships requires understanding and compassion.Certainty can be found in em

takeawaysBach's music exemplifies a pure expression of creativity.Creativity flows from a dance between internal and external influences.Individuality is a unique expression of the universal flow.Consciousness transcends the boundaries of ego and identity.The sacred can be found in everyday moments and experiences.Rituals can help us recognize the sacred in our lives.Creativity requires both chaos and order to flourish.The ego can hinder creativity by imposing limitations.Being present is essential to experiencing the sacred.Every moment is an opportunity to find the sacred. Creativity involves a balance between chaos and order.Both feminine and masculine energies are essential in artistic expression.Shame in music can be addressed through honest, first-person narratives.Theological language can perpetuate shame if not handled carefully.Integration of different parts of oneself leads to a more holistic identity.Non-dual perspectives can help bridge gaps in understanding spirituality.The question of identity i

takeawaysAndrew Root feels most comfortable surrounded by his books.The connection between humans and dogs is mystical and profound.Andrew's childhood experiences with grief shaped his faith.Lutheranism has a unique cultural context in the Midwest.Evangelism should focus on consolation rather than mere conversion.The church's role is to walk with people in their sorrow.Modern society struggles with deep feelings of loneliness.Evangelism is often misunderstood as a marketing strategy.Andrew's experiences highlight the importance of community support.The conversation emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of faith. Rituals are essential for happiness in modern life.Evangelism should not be seen as lifestyle marketing.Luther's theology emphasizes God's presence in suffering.Ministry of consolation is vital in addressing grief.Suffering is a universal human experience.Pilgrimage invites people to journey together in faith.Joy and celebration are crucial in community life.Happiness should not be the ultima

Take AwaysLife experiences broaden your understanding of meaning.Family significantly impacts one's perspective on life.Cultural and community influences shape personal values.Art and beauty provide a deeper understanding of existence.Navigating societal expectations can be challenging.Authenticity is crucial in personal and professional spaces.External forces can guide life in unexpected ways.Finding the right questions is more important than answers.You must integrate past experiences into your current self.Personal growth involves transcending and including past beliefs.ChaptersIntroduction and BackgroundJourney to Becoming a PastorExploring Life's MeaningThe Impact of Family on MeaningEvolving Perspectives on LifeCultural Influences on MeaningWork and Community's Role in Life's MeaningThe Role of Love and External FactorsThe Influence of External Forces on LifeThe Role of Art and Beauty in Understanding LifeNavigating Societal Norms and Personal AuthenticityFinding Meaning Through the Right Questions Spon

Keith Giles has written extensively on biblical topics, including the Book of Romans.The collaborative project with Matthew de Stefano was born out of a shared concern about the misinterpretation of Romans.Romans is often misused to justify negative ideologies, which the authors aim to correct.Understanding the structure of Paul's arguments is crucial for accurate interpretation of Romans.The technique of prosopopeia is used by Paul to present opposing viewpoints in his arguments.Many Bible teachers overlook the dual voices present in Romans, leading to misinterpretation.The authors aim to present a more compassionate and loving interpretation of Paul's teachings.Unity in the church does not require agreement on all issues, according to Paul's teachings.The clobber passages in Romans are often taken out of context and misapplied.Paul's emphasis on love and grace is a central theme that is often neglected in traditional interpretations. Romans chapter 1 addresses pagan idol worship, not modern homosexuality.Co

Show Outline:Podcast Reflections & GrowthTom’s journey from uncertainty to confidence in hosting.Lessons from awkward interviews and maintaining consistency.Peter Rollins & ParablesKevin’s college story using Rollins’ parable of the mystic, evangelical, and fundamentalist.The role of mysticism in challenging dogma.Kevin’s New Book: Cosmic Christ and Concrete JesusOrigins: Re-examining faith post-church closure and vocational shifts.Defining the “Cosmic Christ” (universal divine presence) vs. “Concrete Jesus” (liberation-focused activism).Bridging mysticism and social justice.Deconstruction & EmbodimentFaith as direct experience vs. intellectual belief.The danger of “spiritual insulation” and clichés.Black Prophetic TraditionContrasting the “white Jesus” of power with the radical, marginalized Jesus.Liberation theology’s influence on Kevin’s work.Personal & Vocational ShiftsKevin’s transition from pastoring to hospice chaplaincy.Letting go of “next things” to embrace the present.Links:Web: http

takeawaysHoward Thurman is a significant figure for understanding hope in difficult times.The current political climate creates a crisis of hope for many.Progressive Christianity can serve as a counterforce to conservative ideologies.Empathy is essential for ethical behavior and morality.There is a divide in Christianity that reflects differing beliefs about God.Fear and grievance play a significant role in conservative Christianity.The importance of social justice and activism in faith communities.Mysticism can be a pathway to understanding our spiritual lives.The need for a strong, theologically grounded progressive movement is urgent.Bad behavior often reflects a misunderstanding of God's nature. Empathy is essential in understanding differing perspectives.Progressive Christianity aims to bring health to society and the planet.Christianity must evolve to meet contemporary challenges.Experience should take precedence over rigid doctrines.Faith should be dynamic and culturally relevant.God's presence is univ

takeawaysDillon discusses the cultural diversity in Lancaster County, highlighting the coexistence of Amish and Christian nationalists.He emphasizes the importance of love and neighborly kindness in his theological approach.Dillon's writing project critiques Christian nationalism through the lens of Jesus and Paul's teachings.He expresses a desire to understand biblical figures and their teachings more deeply.The conversation touches on the significance of orthopraxy over orthodoxy in modern faith practices.Dillon shares his personal journey through fundamentalism and the impact of early religious experiences.He reflects on the challenges of reconciling faith with modern scientific understanding.The role of permaculture is discussed as a metaphor for spiritual growth and interconnectedness.Dillon's experiences in seminary led to a deeper exploration of theology and spirituality.The conversation concludes with a focus on finding community and meaning in a changing world. Navigating post-fundamentalism involves

Key TakeawaysChristian Nationalism Defined: A political ideology merging American and Christian identities, often excluding non-Christians and enforcing conservative, white supremacist norms.Historical Roots: Christian nationalism is intertwined with the doctrine of discovery, slavery, and segregation, using faith to justify oppression.Power Over Principles: The alignment of some Christian groups with political power (e.g., Trump-era policies) often sacrifices theological integrity for influence.Violence and Symbolism: Events like the Tree of Life Synagogue shooting and January 6th Capitol attack exemplify Christian nationalism’s violent consequences.Hope in Community: Grassroots conversations, honest history, and interfaith solidarity are vital to resisting Christian nationalism and fostering healing.Chapter BreakdownAmanda’s Faith & Political Roots (00:00–15:00)Growing up in a Baptist family in Texas.Early passion for politics, career in law, and work with Rep. Lloyd Doggett.Faith, Power, and Disillusio

Key TakeawaysFrom Beliefs to Practice: Aaron advocates for shifting from a beliefs-based faith to a practice-based spirituality, where doing (e.g., forgiveness, liturgy, service) shapes belief more than intellectual assent.Ecumenical Future: The future of faith communities lies in crossing denominational silos, integrating traditions (e.g., evangelical hospitality with liturgical depth), and creating spaces for diverse expressions of worship.Critique of American Christianity: Both progressive and conservative Christian traditions often prioritize cultural power (e.g., nationalism, consumerism) over the "enemy-loving, peacemaking way of Jesus."Embodied Spirituality: Practices like the Ignatian Examen, centering prayer, and communal lament help re-enchant faith by grounding it in the body and daily life.Soundtrack of Struggle: Aaron’s current spiritual "soundtrack" is the Icelandic band Sigur Rós, whose haunting, wordless music mirrors his mix of disillusionment and hope.Chapter BreakdownIntroductions & Sou